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You seem to be a lightning rod--people love you or hate you.
What is it about you that elicits such strong reactions?
I have no idea, and I mean that. Most of the people saying these
things haven't even read anything I've written! I just seem to bother
some people. I never see the things I'm saying as so extreme, I think
they're really obvious. I look at some other stuff and think it's limp,
or think the person is not saying what they mean or they're not going
all the way. The people who tend to hate me, I don't find it's a response
to the book. It's usually a personality thing, and it's really weird
since I usually don't know them. That kind of on-a-public-level venom
is its own invention; it's got its own momentum.
And how do you deal with that?
I really hate it, if you want to know the truth. I feel like it gets
in the way of the work itself. I think in some ways the marketing--putting
me on the cover topless--is meant to capitalize on that notoriety, and
I think that's good, but I'm afraid of it getting in the way of the
book itself. You may not like the work that I'm doing, but I think it
has its own value aside from all of this nonsense. Maybe it's unfair
to put your personal life out there and to be flamboyant and then to
ask people to take the writing part of it on its own merits. Maybe it's
ridiculous, I don't know. But the behavior is part of the thesis, and
the thesis of the book is sort of that women are not allowed to be complex
beings. I mean, we don't think that Wilt Chamberlain can't play basketball
because he slept with over a thousand women, and we don't think President
Clinton can't be president because he seems to have slept with a thousand
women in the past year. Somehow it's like my writing is more assailable
for these imagined activities. My life's actually been quite dull; it's
not all that glamorous.
To what do you attribute this venomous attacks on you?
I don't know. Some people just seem like they are up to no
good. Like, in high school, I was a good student and got straight As.
It was very strict and you couldn't do well there unless you studied
very hard, but every time there was any trouble, I was the first person
they would be talking to. It never made any sense, because I always
felt like I'm such a good girl, where is this coming from?
What inspired this meditation on difficult women?
My own disgruntledness, my own lot in life, that I was so misunderstood
by so many. And I was just incredibly interested in the stories of these
women. I learned about Delilah in elementary school and there was so
little in the Bible about her, she gets about four sentences. Madonna,
Courtney Love, going back further, Rita Hayworth. It was just very interesting
to me that certain types of women inspire people's imagination, and
all of them were very difficult women. In order to get the world to
pay attention, it seemed like you had to get the world to be pretty
angry.
Is there a philosophy or message behind this book?
It is the story of really tragic lives. I don't think the book has
a message so much as it explores different kinds of behavior that women
have. It's different essays about how women have gotten into trouble
under different circumstances. All of these women were fighting to find
a little bit of freedom to be who they are, and I don't think the results
have been especially good for them. And I hope that the answer is not
that we have to learn how to behave. I hope that we continue to fight.
It's very easy to just throw up your hands and give in. It's very tiring
to say, "This is unacceptable and I'm not going to put up with it."
But I think it's valiant to keep up the fight.
Why the title Bitch? Is that not simplifying the impact
and scope of the women you are trying to praise?
Yeah, it does. The book is not really about people you would normally
called bitchy women, although I think a lot of these women, to the people
who were close to them, probably seemed awfully bitchy. I think that
a lot of these women were not so much nasty or mean, as they were energy
suckers. Their pain, their hysteria, and their desires kind of consumed
a whole room, a whole group of people. You just couldn't ignore them.
So, are you interested in the public personas or the actual
personalities in real life according to the people who knew them? Or
both?
A lot of them, their public persona had them as rather gentle souls,
whereas in real life they were crazed maniacs. And vice versa. People
who think that Sylvia Plath was a poor, sensitive poet are not getting
that she had great amounts of ambition and anger that moved her along,
or she wouldn't have been able to fight against that depression to produce
such an incredible body of work by the age of thirty. Ted Hughes just
published Birthday Letters and I think it's his kind of apologia;
it's his way of trying to make himself seem less awful. He wrote some
incredible poems about his relationship with her many years ago, there
was no need for him to have done this, per se. If you want to get some
really honest stuff about what was going on with them and feel sympathy
for his plight, you can from his earlier body of work. He's such a good
poet that he can do poetry as argument. But what I was trying to say
is that she was a difficult and demanding person, and those difficulties
were probably the result of her being told all along, "No, you can't
have this. You can't have this thing that you want." So, nobody thinks,
"Sylvia Plath, what a bitch."
What are you feelings about the current state of feminism?
Do you consider yourself a feminist?
Yeah, I do. It seems like there's different people expressing different
opinions; it doesn't seem like such a unified front at this point.
Is that part of a healthy debate?
I think there is a healthy debate going on. But I think, unfortunately,
it doesn't come from such a passionate place anymore. There's so much
politicking involved in it, and posturing. I'll see Naomi Wolf on television
periodically, I have nothing against her and what she says, but I'll
feel that she's a politician, like she's got an agenda to get across
and that she doesn't always say what's really true or exactly what she
feels. She kind of has this need to make herself appealing, and I think,
personally, she makes herself unappealing that way. It's rather dry
and bland. On the other hand, I feel like Camille
Paglia, who has a lot of interesting things to say in print, sounds
just wacked out of her mind to me when I watch her. Feminism is a good
venue for getting yourself across as much as for getting your point
across.
Who are some of the people you admire, and why?
I admire Bruce Springsteen because he's a heroic person who has lots
of integrity and has this incredible body of work that is so vital.
And I admire Katherine Graham who got this newspaper thrown at her when
she had basically been a housewife all her life, and I think that's
amazing. I really admire Princess Diana, actually. Never mind that she
seemed to be interested in doing good things, there's value for beauty
and grace in and of itself. She had that charm and that nice way about
her, and I think that's enough. She didn't need to do more, she happened
to have done more, but she was simply lovely.
What would you like to work on next?
I'd really like to write a book about Timothy McVeigh, but it would
only work if he cooperated.
Why do you write?
I don't really have any other talents; it sounds funny, but I had
to do something. I was just jumping out of my skin. I can't sing. It
was the only adequate mode of expression I happened to find.
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